Two Die At Con Man James Ray's Hippy Retreat
(The oneball conspiracy con men files)
Angel Valley. Is that an Eagle?.... They should change it to a Vulture.
Hello folks,
I was only alerted to this story this morning. It appears one of the conmen in the conspiracy biz, on this occasion James Arthur Ray, has come unstuck running a vastly over priced spiritual retreat known as Angel Valley Resort in Sedona.
Two people have died and many injured at this expensive hippy retreat in Sedona USA. Apparently on the face of it cheap amateurs have been trying to carry out the sweat lodge ceremonies (inipi)
The amateur but expensive sweat lodge
Sedona (USA) is a well-known retreat in its own right for ‘fluffy bunny’ aging hippies, usually wealthy ones and some connected to other conspiracy con men activities. In a nutshell it’s a hive for hippy business minds and fakers. It’s a cemetery for spiritualist and conspiracy conmen who are usually self-sufficient financially or more likely living off money taken from gullible truth seekers through funding Gurus.
It is no secret that Oneball started to expose conspiracy conmen earlier this year mentioning not only high rollers like Len Horowitz but also low life 2 bob counterfeiters, Knock off Nigels if you like, like Ian Crane and his business associates at Red Ice Radio and Edge TV.
'Oneball dared to roll where the wise monkey fluffy bunnies won’t even look'. How are you going to wake up to truth if you won’t look or have a rulebook full of political correctness or worse a rulebook written by the gurus themselves?
Anyway?
James Arthur Ray the con man star of The Secret and the money grabbing hippy retreat trickster
James Arthur Ray is well know for his part in one of the more blatant spiritualist cons in the modern day markets. Oh boy didn’t the fluffy bunnies fall for that shite. Coincidently I wrote about The Secret on oneball a few weeks ago. Please read about it here.
The Secret: One of the biggest money making con tricks in the new age communities.
In the news report below you will read about Angel Valley Resort and the death of some of the punters attending the retreat. I have had personal experience of seeing a sweat lodge during my time at the Ayahuasca workshop in Colombia.
Mind you the Inipi sweat in Colombia was supervised and conducted by a skilled shaman not some doped up Joe that didn’t know what day it was. I have seen fit young blokes last 15 minutes in this type of ceremony. The report below suggests some old codgers, like me, were in this sweat lodge for 2 hours. If this is so then this is Murder with a capital M not an accident.
Apparently spiritualist con man James Ray has been charging punters up to $9,000 each to attend what looks like a basic retreat for fluffy bunnies with a few hippy ceremonies thrown in. Yes that’s up to $9000 dollars each to go on ‘angel site’ (The wilderness with huts on it) that it is said has energy vortexes etc for exclusive use by the paying punters.
Like all conmen James Ray is also ‘selling ancient practices’ at this retreat (without knowing his arse from his elbow on how to do so) like the Inipi sweats to impress moronic truth seekers that obviously have more money than sense.
Obviously I don’t know what has really gone on at this retreat and obviously we cannot trust mainstream media to tell us the truth but the basic facts are evidence of what is happening in the spiritualist / conspiracy movement.That is greedy con men are exploiting people who are going through awakenings. I tell you the truth again when I say that the spiritualist / conspiracy con man have infested the spiritualist conspiracy communities on all levels. I have been abused and ridiculed and blackballed for doing so.
I have no doubts (my opinion) that Angel Valley is as false as any con trick can be. I have no doubts that James Ray is a money grabbing con artist. That is no secret to me and it never has been and I won't bloody well stop saying so either. I have no sympathy for the fools that go along with such con tricks but I do have sympathy with the families of people being killed by con men. I have no doubts that Angel Valley is usually nothing more than a ‘dope, drugs and talking shit party’ for ageing hippies or simply a boastful pastime for wealthy but spiritually blind idiots that delude themselves that they are becoming awakened through con tricks and unskilled practices carried out by greedy con men like James Ray.
The same can be said for any con men in this game. The likes of petty conmen like Ian Crane and money grabbing businessmen and Gurus like Len Horowiz and the professional bullshitters like James Arthur Ray and other money mad smooth talkers from The Secret are here to con you.
Their actions say it all if you care to look.
I don't say that out of spite I say that because I care.
Please read the story below.
Thank you
Matthew Delooze. 10/10/2009
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Deadly accident at Sedona resort hosted by Oprah guest
SEDONA, AZ -- The man who hosted an Arizona retreat where two people died and several dozen more were injured Thursday is a well-known author and TV personality.
James Ray is a New York Times best selling author who has made appearances on Oprah and Larry King Live.
He hosted at least 60 people for the Sedona-area retreat at the Angel Valley Retreat Center this week, according to Dwight D’Evelyn with the Yavapai County Sheriff’s Office.
Some attendees told detectives they paid up to $9,000 for their stay and participation in the program.
Sedona resident Anna Lisa Brown said she sees people constantly shuttling in to town for similar retreats.
"I was surprised that people would put themselves in that situation, but not surprised, because people are looking for things to fulfill themselves to give them purpose," said Brown.
Sedona Fire Department Spokesperson Gary Johnson said crews first responded to a call at the center around 5 p.m. Thursday, when multiple people collapsed after exiting a sweat lodge on the property.
SEE PHOTOS FROM THE SCENE IN THE ATTACHED PHOTO SLIDESHOW
Angel Valley is located 6 1/2 miles from West Sedona and about 125 miles north of Phoenix.
Johnson said Sedona Fire, Verde Valley Fire, and Yavapai County Sheriff's department all responded to the call.
D’Evelyn said sheriff's deputies at the scene learned those injured had been part of a larger group housed in a “sweatbox” type structure on the property.
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Very sad. We both seem to be agreeing with what Black Wolf said in the original news article. Selling these Spritual Practices on that scale is akin to Prostituiton.
Ajna
This is what happens when money making idiots take the teachings and ceremonies of the native American Indians and treat it not only with such disrespect, but use it for their own financial gain
I have been in one of these sweat lodges, and lasted 15-20 minutes. Matt was the 'Water Man' for the stones. The blankets over the opening should be opened at intervals during the ceremony on the command of the Shaman. Parayid was there to help me out. His outstretched hand was so welcoming that day ...
The heat is so intense and the general ruling is that an experienced Shaman who has been trained in Inipi knowledge for years is present. He conducts the ceremony, and you take part in a Native American tradition which has been handed down for centuries as a cleansing process and to give yourself to the earth
I am absolutely furious that this idiot has disgraced this and now look what has happened due to his greed. People have died due to his blindness and utter rape of the ancestors teachings
HOW DARE YOU James Ray ..... Hang your head in shame
Suze Delooze
Do you laugh or do you cry?
when the next 9/11 event occurs and martial law is enforced by world government and upheld by paramilitary police, will you be considered the new jew if you choose not to comply to mandatory human chiping?
Do you laugh or do you cry?
I cannot laugh or cry, all I feel is anger
These con-men are preying on the ignorance and the trust of others ... especially those with fat wallets
The customers are looking for something to change their lives but it comes with a price obviously, and as they have more money than sense are quite prepared to throw money at it, and the con-men are there waiting to catch it in the middle
You cannot blame the customers, they acted in the only way they know how
Suze Delooze
Perhaps this will have a ripple effect through out all the conspiracy/guru con men fraternity. This has links and connections to various people. Check out the con man guru Stuart Wilde. You can get baptised by him for $5000. Mind you that potentially isn't life threatening , if of course you don't drown!
another massive link is to Oprah Winfrey.... all the people that she has supported have turned into millionaires... she was a massive proponent of The Secret... she has peddled many of these people who have sold books and DVD's in their millions. Are we potentially seeing a huge wounding of the con man guru set up?
It will be very interesting to see if little old One Ball starts receiving attention. Small time crooks like Ian Crane are nothing compared to this multi million dollar market that now comes under scrutiny.
Stuart Wilde has been involved in provable and nefarious black balling and smear campaigns that he has conducted against anyone that could interfere with this enormous money making machine. Including people that he has stolen information off and then requires their silence.
It will be most interesting to see if it is suggested that One Ball keeps quiet.
Perhaps One Ball is not ready to close it's doors.... perhaps these are the connections and reasons why One Ball was created in the first place... bizarrely!
It could get messy.... now is not the moment to keep quiet.... Please please say it as you feel.... all comments are welcome, whether they be pro or counter...
another massive link is to Oprah Winfrey.... all the people that she has supported have turned into millionaires... she was a massive proponent of The Secret... she has peddled many of these people who have sold books and DVD's in their millions. Are we potentially seeing a huge wounding of the con man guru set up?
It will be very interesting to see if little old One Ball starts receiving attention. Small time crooks like Ian Crane are nothing compared to this multi million dollar market that now comes under scrutiny.
Stuart Wilde has been involved in provable and nefarious black balling and smear campaigns that he has conducted against anyone that could interfere with this enormous money making machine. Including people that he has stolen information off and then requires their silence.
It will be most interesting to see if it is suggested that One Ball keeps quiet.
Perhaps One Ball is not ready to close it's doors.... perhaps these are the connections and reasons why One Ball was created in the first place... bizarrely!
It could get messy.... now is not the moment to keep quiet.... Please please say it as you feel.... all comments are welcome, whether they be pro or counter...
I can see where you are coming from on that Piers
I wish we would get some attention then at least One Ball would have some confirmation and could deal with it head on
Come on people .... Get posting please!!
Oh and look at this idiot that Piers has already mentioned ... http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message475830/pg1
Suze Delooze
Oh my ... IT GETS WORSE ....
http://www.stuartwilde.com/money/index.html
Suze Delooze
People die every day for all sorts of reasons. why do you all get so emotional about con men. If peolpe are taken in then it is their lesson and nothing to do with any of us.
You can only free yourself from within so dont give to much attention to without.
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/harmonic-wealth-seminar-c215528.html
worth a read... to give you an idea what sort of money is changing hands...
Hi everybody. I'm not especially computer savvy and I have just now figured out how to post a comment (that's pretty embarassing to admit but I'm actually happy I now know how to do it.)
Matthew's information is unique and profound and I am very grateful to have found this site. This is the only place I know of on the net that is dealing with this type of information and my intuition is telling me that the person presenting it (Matthew) is sincere, caring and trustworthy. I have no doubt whatsoever that what he is telling us is the truth. I have read all his articles and his three books and I have learned so much from him and also from the other contributors on One Ball.
Matthew, please do not stop what you are doing. It is very important and it is my belief that the evil ones in this world are very afraid of you and what you and this site are capable of accomplishing. I know from the comments you have made that your life is very difficult but please do not stop doing what you came here to do. Your honesty and lack of guile are commendable and rare on the net and in this world and you are quite a brave human being. You have certainly helped me to be more courageous in my every day dealings in this world. I understand and see so much now that I was incapable of seeing before I found your website. Please continue.
Diann
Good job I could never afford to attend a place that expensive!
Why should it cost so much? Was the steam First Class steam, previously deployed at the Beckham's mansion? You know I don't share Matt's views on Ian Crane and Chris Everard etc, but this James Ray guy does indeed look deeply corrupt. Susie's right; we are asking for trouble if we trivialize and industrialize ancient Indigenous wisdom.
In 2005 I spent a week at the Findhorn Community in Scotland. I felt very drawn to have one of their "experience weeks", but at the end of it I was rather dissolusioned. It was very much a New Age, retreat ie bury-your-head-in-the-sand place. They have a massive book shop there, but not a single copy of any title by David Icke or any other more down-to-Earth researcher. They refused to discuss conspiracies with me. They also criticize you if you deviate from their very narrow language regime. "Don't say 'you', say 'I'" they insised on telling me! And the week all cost £375!
"Because he refused to compete in games of domination he was indomitable"
from The Dispossessed by Ursula LeGuin
It is sad to hear that people have died when they gave their trust to people who made such deadly mistakes. I struggle when the heater is to high in the car, I would not be able to go in a sweat lodge.
another massive link is to Oprah Winfrey.... all the people that she has supported have turned into millionaires...
Funny you should mention her, I watched a video clip yesterday of her and the Black Eyed Peas (who have Will.i.am in who I feel is in training to be the next Bono) doing a massive flash mob thing to launch her new show. This the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8HPAhpPiVU She just looked like she was orchestrating something more than what you initially see.
Sorry to wander off topic.
It's not off topic. Oprah Winfrey is a Billionairess and her show is watched by many millions. She has to be involved in hypnotism, promotion and one would have to wonder if the agendas are all her own.
Good job I could never afford to attend a place that expensive! Why should it cost so much? Was the steam First Class steam, previously deployed at the Beckham's mansion? You know I don't share Matt's views on Ian Crane and Chris Everard etc, but this James Ray guy does indeed look deeply corrupt. Susie's right; we are asking for trouble if we trivialize and industrialize ancient Indigenous wisdom. In 2005 I spent a week at the Findhorn Community in Scotland. I felt very drawn to have one of their "experience weeks", but at the end of it I was rather dissolusioned. It was very much a New Age, retreat ie bury-your-head-in-the-sand place. They have a massive book shop there, but not a single copy of any title by David Icke or any other more down-to-Earth researcher. They refused to discuss conspiracies with me. They also criticize you if you deviate from their very narrow language regime. "Don't say 'you', say 'I'" they insised on telling me! And the week all cost £375!
But would you have spent £375 to see your friend Ian Crane?
Suze Delooze
It's not off topic. Oprah Winfrey is a Billionairess and her show is watched by many millions. She has to be involved in hypnotism, promotion and one would have to wonder if the agendas are all her own.
Hello Piers....just a bit on Oprah that I've noticed.
see the sun symbolism?....this school she opened in Africa went on to have a sexual abuse scandal.
The McCanns were also on the show and it was aired in 144 countries with Madeleine's sun photo shown.
Even her name has 'Ra' in it....reminds me of the 'Ray' guy that this scandal surrounds now.
When I first read a bit the other day I thought it was a bit funny. Kinda thought it might give negative attention to real bona fide retreats.....plus reading Matts news item too I wonder if it's just con man negligence coming back to bite him on the bum?? All in all, very strange.
Oh nice one
Good job I could never afford to attend a place that expensive!
Why should it cost so much? Was the steam First Class steam, previously deployed at the Beckham's mansion? You know I don't share Matt's views on Ian Crane and Chris Everard etc, but this James Ray guy does indeed look deeply corrupt. Susie's right; we are asking for trouble if we trivialize and industrialize ancient Indigenous wisdom.
In 2005 I spent a week at the Findhorn Community in Scotland. I felt very drawn to have one of their "experience weeks", but at the end of it I was rather dissolusioned. It was very much a New Age, retreat ie bury-your-head-in-the-sand place. They have a massive book shop there, but not a single copy of any title by David Icke or any other more down-to-Earth researcher. They refused to discuss conspiracies with me. They also criticize you if you deviate from their very narrow language regime. "Don't say 'you', say 'I'" they insised on telling me! And the week all cost £375!
Oh thankyou for pointing out the issue about the Findhorn Shop not stocking any conspiracy research. I've loved Findhorn for decades now, and spent a small fortune in that shop - but the place is on a par with a religious cult, isn't it?
I'm suspicious of where alot of their funding comes from.
Ajna
more robot agenda on the main stage at the chicago performance...
more robot agenda on the main stage at the chicago performance...
I'd like to know more of what you mean by that?
Are you saying that you don't think this was just an accdent?
Ajna
as susie and matt mentioned - 15 - 20mins with regular 'door opening' breaks was almost too much to take in the columbian ceremony we took part in.
trying to dig myself into a shallow grave in the dirt seemed to be the only way to escape some of the heat.... but 2 hours... fuck that - i'm surprised they don't have more deaths if that's a regular occurrence - accident - maybe - poor management by people who don't what they're doing - more likely
the robot agenda is a completely separate issue - follow josie's link and note the 2 giant robots on the stage that the choreographed crowd are praising
as susie and matt mentioned - 15 - 20mins with regular 'door opening' breaks was almost too much to take in the columbian ceremony we took part in. trying to dig myself into a shallow grave in the dirt seemed to be the only way to escape some of the heat.... but 2 hours... fuck that - i'm surprised they don't have more deaths if that's a regular occurrence - accident - maybe - poor management by people who don't what they're doing - more likely the robot agenda is a completely separate issue - follow josie's link and note the 2 giant robots on the stage that the choreographed crowd are praising
Indeed poor management by people who do not know what they are doing ..... Plastic on a Sweat Lodge!!
Suze Delooze
eh Haggers..did you go to the Paul Stott 911 cult watch conference at Loughboro university last year...about 4 turned up..and i'm sure you were sitting near to me unless i was mistaken?
MFP
free is a liber joke invented by the saturn cult of f'in oneness
Certainly was overpriced for the two individuals who died and the others hospitalized.
I have always been a fan of the "hippy" years, at least the best of what that meant.
As a holistic medical doctor in Sedona, Arizona, I frequently see people looking for over-the-counter solutions to problems - and there are many.
I often have to advise people that certain activities like excessive heat and prolonged fasting without preparation are potentially dangerous. But then, so are prolonged herbal use and prescription medication use. (I believe synthetic medications are now the 3rd to 5th leading cause of preventable death.
Going inward for solutions to problems from one of the comments previously, I like that!
Hagbard
I'd love to hear more of your experience with Findhorn. Fancy writing a short article on it?
Cheers
Mark
Very sad. We both seem to be agreeing with what Black Wolf said in the original news article. Selling these Spritual Practices on that scale is akin to Prostituiton. Ajna
hello
A con trick is a con trick on any scale. Sedona itself is a place that shows us, well shows me anyway, that the so called awakened are more deluded than the sheep world they claim to be trying to get away from.
If folks out there believe the likes of the con men behind things like The Secret's James 'give us yer wallet before you enter the death sauna' Ray and Len 'buy lenny boy's holy water already ' Horowitz.
As i said in the news report sedona itself is entirely made up of fakers and grabbers in the hippy market or it is made up of people that have used exploitation in another form of business. It is a fakers and takers paradise. It is a wankers retreat. and they'd sell their soul for a fistful of dollars but who can blame them when they know nothing else.
I think Prostitutes are far far far more honest than the con men like Ray and the hypocritical phonies hiding out in places like sedona whilst playing at hippies but thats only my opinion.
best
matt
Perhaps this will have a ripple effect through out all the conspiracy/guru con men fraternity. This has links and connections to various people. Check out the con man guru Stuart Wilde. You can get baptised by him for $5000. Mind you that potentially isn't life threatening , if of course you don't drown!
hello
bloody hell i baptised a few in colombia fer nowt... and the only life in danger was me own fer doing it.
i'm in the wrong job mate.
SO...
Hello all...
anyone out there want officially baptising in the Leeds Liverpool canal in Burnley?
£200 quid and i'll throw in a chip butty and a small glass of dandelion and burdock too. (A one percent discount applies to groups or an offer of two chip butties applies)....
john the baptist was a nutter from the gutter too.. so come to burnley folks and get baptised by 'matthew the canal water chucker' and at a fraction of the price charged by stuart wilde too.
i am also offering, for only £500, a chance to walk on water with a guru... (errr.. it's me)...it's called the 'strictly come slipping with matt special' .
Please note that the dates are very select for this trip of a lifetime as i have to wait until the canal is frozen to do it but instead of only getting a chip butty and glass of dandelion and burdock, on the strictly come slipping tour you will also get a tater pie and a mug of tea. (For an extra 300 quid you can also purchase a special certificate reminding you that you 'walked on water', and on many dog turds of course, in Burnley. (The hottest ley line in the world).
Please book the trip early to avoid dissapointment..(my dissapointment of course as i need to buy christmas presents soon!)
What do ya mean no you won't book it's a con? And are you saying that me baptising you in Burnley in the canal or walking on water with you 'is a ridiculous scam'. Well well wel its all bloody coming out now isn't it eh? You don't say that to Stuart Wilde and Ian Crane do you? Oh No bloody butter wouldn't melt wit them would it?
You don't say it to len Horowitz either or James Arthur Ray.
Oh 'I see'.... only us working class northerners are con men eh? Bloody typical that is. Arseholes producing 'the secret' can go and murder folks in a sweat lodge ..thats ok... but if an honest working man wants to scrape a living on the canals of england, doing simple christenings and walking on water tours, he's branded a con man.....
I'm going to ring the good samaritans up and ask them to help a nutter in the gutter... but knowing my luck they'd walk past and leave me lying there too. no parable material for me then.
best wishes
matt
Good job I could never afford to attend a place that expensive! Why should it cost so much? Was the steam First Class steam, previously deployed at the Beckham's mansion? You know I don't share Matt's views on Ian Crane and Chris Everard etc, but this James Ray guy does indeed look deeply corrupt. Susie's right; we are asking for trouble if we trivialize and industrialize ancient Indigenous wisdom. In 2005 I spent a week at the Findhorn Community in Scotland. I felt very drawn to have one of their "experience weeks", but at the end of it I was rather dissolusioned. It was very much a New Age, retreat ie bury-your-head-in-the-sand place. They have a massive book shop there, but not a single copy of any title by David Icke or any other more down-to-Earth researcher. They refused to discuss conspiracies with me. They also criticize you if you deviate from their very narrow language regime. "Don't say 'you', say 'I'" they insised on telling me! And the week all cost £375!
Hello mate,
hows yer doing?
I haven't had any views on Chris Everhard it must be you that thinks i have and it was Chris Everhard that first exposes Ian Crane as a counterfeiter not me.
I only mentioned Chris Everhard mentions what appears to be the blatant hypocricy of a webmaster at david ickebooks.com that's all. but as you know being a regular on the david icke forum zoo that getting any answers about dodgy activities and hypocricy is impossible from those that 'manage' all the animals on that forum.
Crane is just as dodgy as James Ray but on a lower scale in my opinion and as your friend as already stated in threats to me ...he can get the police and courts to prove me a liar if he wants.
Janes Ray is part of the con artists that produced the secret that i have wrote about before.
Have you written about this findhorn fluffy bunny community on your blog? maybe you can post a link if you have.
The entire conspiracy community (punters that swallow any shite that takes their fancy) is in my opinion reliant on very very few researchers. indeed it is these days nothing but a land of moronic sheep who simply 'repeat the words of their favourite guru'. in your case mate this is either icke or the con man ian crane depending on your state of mind at the time.
The people at the new age camp are not going to stock books of david icke. He was not their guru he is yours.
you will find that the bullshitters in the conspiracy/spiritual biz only stock goods they agree with or can exploit.
they will also sell you the world but you will actually receive nothing.
best
matt
you will also get a tater pie
Love them, it's one of the best things about the north.
Been to Burnley three times, freezing cold each time. Still the view of the hills from the stand made for better watching than what was going on on the pitch.
Listen guys..do you really trust chris Everard? this is the guy running a copyright conference in south of france inviting all his mason barrister chums to see how they can bang up a few ebayers for copy right infringement..can't you see its 'problem ,reaction,solution'...Everard has done a dvd called the Illuminati and is getting some of his mates to put it on Ebay so unsuspecting souls like myself will purchase a copy and then make further copies...but he wont go after his mates..he'll go after the likes of me who are putting out the real truth about 911.Only trouble is mr everhard i'm wise to your little scam and i'm exposing you where ever i can...you know this truth movement is becoming one big farce and we all know why dont we?
free is a liber joke invented by the saturn cult of f'in oneness
anyone out there want officially baptising in the Leeds Liverpool canal in Burnley?
No thanks.....i think I might have a 'running bum' aya experience without the visions.
I'm no daft
you will also get a tater pie
Love them, it's one of the best things about the north. Been to Burnley three times, freezing cold each time. Still the view of the hills from the stand made for better watching than what was going on on the pitch.
hello,
bloody hell you are a glutton for punishment going on the turf moor ley line..
that is one hell of a nasty piece of work for sensitive souls
the towneleys used to sacrifice kids on that line.
local pies have taken a turn for the worse, quality wise, in burnley. and conditions apply to the offer.
if you want to see pure evil and a mass of braindead sheeple go to watch the blackburn rovers burnley match at ewood park this sunday.
you will learn a lot about collecting energy if you do.
i heard the pies are better at rovers. some of the fans are half human there too.
best
matt
re canal baptism
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No thanks.....i think I might have a 'running bum' aya experience without the visions.
I'm no daft
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hello hen..i'm starting a mail order version .. i send you a little bottle full of holy canal water and a signed letter with instructions.. (pour on head sort of thing)
a bargain at 50 quid plus P&P ..special golden wrapping version for £100 ..includes a bottle of dadelion and burdock (or irn bru for our scottish members).
leeds and liverpool canal water will not only give you visions it will give you a guaranteed NDE!
best
matt
Made me feel sick reading that about the ley line things.
I have become aware, thanks in all part part to you, about how people freely give up energy at events like concerts and I likened it to football, I could see the similarities. My first reaction and most of my current reaction was/is to ignore it. Maybe it's not the same. What do I know anyway? If I have an inkling after reading something it won't include me, sort of absolved from all responsibility to myself. I disappoint myself when I think of myself as a braindead at the weekend. If I was more aware about other things I am sure I would be considered just as braindead for the rest of the week too.
I want to say lots more but I keep getting stuck. Everything feels so enormous and bleak, I just don't know which way to turn.
you will also get a tater pie
Love them, it's one of the best things about the north. Been to Burnley three times, freezing cold each time. Still the view of the hills from the stand made for better watching than what was going on on the pitch.
hello,
bloody hell you are a glutton for punishment going on the turf moor ley line..
that is one hell of a nasty piece of work for sensitive souls
the towneleys used to sacrifice kids on that line.
local pies have taken a turn for the worse, quality wise, in burnley. and conditions apply to the offer.
if you want to see pure evil and a mass of braindead sheeple go to watch the blackburn rovers burnley match at ewood park this sunday.
you will learn a lot about collecting energy if you do.
i heard the pies are better at rovers. some of the fans are half human there too.
best
matt
re canal baptism
No thanks.....i think I might have a 'running bum' aya experience without the visions.
I'm no daft
[/quote]
hello hen..i'm starting a mail order version .. i send you a little bottle full of holy canal water and a signed letter with instructions.. (pour on head sort of thing)
a bargain at 50 quid plus P&P ..special golden wrapping version for £100 ..includes a bottle of dadelion and burdock (or irn bru for our scottish members).
leeds and liverpool canal water will not only give you visions it will give you a guaranteed NDE!
best
matt
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ok I'm interested. I'll have the 100 quid Burnley cocktail.
Send it to:
Dunthinkin
Braindead Place
Sleepy Hovel
Scotland
Again, Sedona is a fake town over a huge underground base. I find the answer from Stewart Swerdlow interesting:
Stewart's Reply: "I think what he did was quite stupid. I also think it was a trigger for those with Warrior/ Star Trek programming. Remember the words of Worf from Star Trek: Next generation-- " It is a good day to die!" .....and that is what happened. A major trigger!"
PAL
Again, Sedona is a fake town over a huge underground base. I find the answer from Stewart Swerdlow interesting: Stewart's Reply: "I think what he did was quite stupid. I also think it was a trigger for those with Warrior/ Star Trek programming. Remember the words of Worf from Star Trek: Next generation-- " It is a good day to die!" .....and that is what happened. A major trigger!"
hello per l ,
i'm not clued up with the swerdlows....but don't take this the wrong way.
but i remember receiving a few emails from folks who were nearly ripped off by the swerdlows over another hippy trip provided by a gurus..the guru being stewart and his wife.
i think it was a similar rip off to the stuart wilde baptism con.
sedona is well known for harbouring fake ageing hippies. some of them are already wealthy and the rest are con artists that either con the punters or con the wealthy that are already there.
the only trigger in my opinion was ..'beware of con artists like james ray and don't fall for liars that make dvds like the secret'
the conspiracy communities the spiritualist communities are infested with conmen and are at this moment a complete farce and a joke.
i have spoken out for quite a while on this subject and the stench of cowardice and hypocricy is rife both with the conspiracy punters and the so called conspiracy gurus.
and again from where i stand and i must admit... only looking at the swerdlows website... i'd say they are minor versions of other con merchants in this biznez. they are posing as enlightened gurus concentrating on selling shite.
i can only say if the likes of james ray, len horowitz or ian crane for that matter are here to set us free (for a fee of course) then i don't want releasing. i don't want to live in a world of greedy con men i already have that now. i thought we were meant to change things. we are going worse.
it is time the pathetic punters in sedona took a reality check... put the spliffs out ... looked in the mirror... and actually questioned the gurus and biznessmen 'selling' them their spiritual freedom. the same scenario applies elsewhere.
the entire 'biz' is now on a par with a disney style theme park.
janes ray selling one ride ...len horowitz selling another and even the swerdlows selling another.
these people don't want to change the world..they want to be rich and pampered in this one.
if we want to be free then let us find freedom if we want to get on our knees to a con man then lets do that.
i don't mind which.
at the moment we are doing the latter.
who's it to be then folks? Who gets our soul?
Alex Jones?
Len horowitz?
Stewart Swerdlow?
Ian Crane?
David Icke?
Mick Tsarion?
Do the rich pick the expensive ones and the poor pick the less expensive ones?
anyway per l thanks for the comments they are appreciated.
best
matt
hello,
when i said it will create a NDE.. i meant going to a hospital some where for a stomach pump etc..no visions of angels etc.
burnley has no A&E anymore.
i think the authorities are trying to tell us something or reduce the dole queue.
best
matt
[/quote]
ok I'm interested. I'll have the 100 quid Burnley cocktail.
Send it to:
Dunthinkin
Braindead Place
Sleepy Hovel
Scotland
[/quote]
hello,
when i said it will create a NDE.. i meant going to a hospital some where for a stomach pump etc..no visions of angels etc.
burnley has no A&E anymore.
i think the authorities are trying to tell us something or reduce the dole queue.
best
matt
ok I'm interested. I'll have the 100 quid Burnley cocktail.
Send it to:
Dunthinkin
Braindead Place
Sleepy Hovel
Scotland
[/quote]
[/quote]
Yes I know what you meant Matt, hence the silly address.
Jen
hello josie,
i believe
the system gets us all to find something to love or something to escape to.
to give up emotion to.
our natural emotions are being controlled to be built up to be released.
the vast majority of minds will be attracted to sport or music or both or something like going to museums etc.
it's not wrong to feel emotional. its not wrong to watch exciting things.
it is a very cruel deception that exploits the creation of enjoyment.
we are all braindead 7 days a week . we just like certain days better than others indeed pay day and leisure time days seem better to us but in reality they are not. we suffer more in the long term for what we see as experiencing our better days than we do for what we see as mundane days.
but who is going to believe that?
best wishes
matt
Made me feel sick reading that about the ley line things. I have become aware, thanks in all part part to you, about how people freely give up energy at events like concerts and I likened it to football, I could see the similarities. My first reaction and most of my current reaction was/is to ignore it. Maybe it's not the same. What do I know anyway? If I have an inkling after reading something it won't include me, sort of absolved from all responsibility to myself. I disappoint myself when I think of myself as a braindead at the weekend. If I was more aware about other things I am sure I would be considered just as braindead for the rest of the week too. I want to say lots more but I keep getting stuck. Everything feels so enormous and bleak, I just don't know which way to turn.
you will also get a tater pie
Love them, it's one of the best things about the north. Been to Burnley three times, freezing cold each time. Still the view of the hills from the stand made for better watching than what was going on on the pitch.
hello,
bloody hell you are a glutton for punishment going on the turf moor ley line..
that is one hell of a nasty piece of work for sensitive souls
the towneleys used to sacrifice kids on that line.
local pies have taken a turn for the worse, quality wise, in burnley. and conditions apply to the offer.
if you want to see pure evil and a mass of braindead sheeple go to watch the blackburn rovers burnley match at ewood park this sunday.
you will learn a lot about collecting energy if you do.
i heard the pies are better at rovers. some of the fans are half human there too.
best
matt
I certainly resonate with what you are saying, Matthew, regarding the attraction for each of us to something that is here in this place. It is like a very strong magnetic pull that sucks you in. Have you ever read the books by Doris Lessing (there was a series and I think the first one was called Shikasta) and it's been a long time ago that I read them but if memory serves I believe there was something along the lines of dense energy fields or something and being caught up in them and going "down" or "falling" into the Shikasta (earth) vibration was to go denser and denser and going "up" was to escape into a higher vibratory energy.
It seems as though what we are trapped into doing here in part is always reacting to what the "snakes" are doing and it's high time we changed that and forced the "snakes" to react to what we are doing. We need to "push" them out.
By the way, I saw some chemtrails in the sky where I live the other day, which in and of itself is not in any way unusual around here, but these chemtrails instead of staring out being in the form of an "x" or "cross" were in the form of a, get this, "pyramid" shape.
Diann
Again, Sedona is a fake town over a huge underground base. I find the answer from Stewart Swerdlow interesting: Stewart's Reply: "I think what he did was quite stupid. I also think it was a trigger for those with Warrior/ Star Trek programming. Remember the words of Worf from Star Trek: Next generation-- " It is a good day to die!" .....and that is what happened. A major trigger!"
hello per l ,
i'm not clued up with the swerdlows....but don't take this the wrong way.
but i remember receiving a few emails from folks who were nearly ripped off by the swerdlows over another hippy trip provided by a gurus..the guru being stewart and his wife.
i think it was a similar rip off to the stuart wilde baptism con.
sedona is well known for harbouring fake ageing hippies. some of them are already wealthy and the rest are con artists that either con the punters or con the wealthy that are already there.
the only trigger in my opinion was ..'beware of con artists like james ray and don't fall for liars that make dvds like the secret'
the conspiracy communities the spiritualist communities are infested with conmen and are at this moment a complete farce and a joke.
i have spoken out for quite a while on this subject and the stench of cowardice and hypocricy is rife both with the conspiracy punters and the so called conspiracy gurus.
and again from where i stand and i must admit... only looking at the swerdlows website... i'd say they are minor versions of other con merchants in this biznez. they are posing as enlightened gurus concentrating on selling shite.
i can only say if the likes of james ray, len horowitz or ian crane for that matter are here to set us free (for a fee of course) then i don't want releasing. i don't want to live in a world of greedy con men i already have that now. i thought we were meant to change things. we are going worse.
it is time the pathetic punters in sedona took a reality check... put the spliffs out ... looked in the mirror... and actually questioned the gurus and biznessmen 'selling' them their spiritual freedom. the same scenario applies elsewhere.
the entire 'biz' is now on a par with a disney style theme park.
janes ray selling one ride ...len horowitz selling another and even the swerdlows selling another.
these people don't want to change the world..they want to be rich and pampered in this one.
if we want to be free then let us find freedom if we want to get on our knees to a con man then lets do that.
i don't mind which.
at the moment we are doing the latter.
who's it to be then folks? Who gets our soul?
Alex Jones?
Len horowitz?
Stewart Swerdlow?
Ian Crane?
David Icke?
Mick Tsarion?
Do the rich pick the expensive ones and the poor pick the less expensive ones?
anyway per l thanks for the comments they are appreciated.
best
matt
We are all self responsible. No one can be blamed. From my perspective none of them gets our soul. And it's more about results than money. I also think the conspiracy writing is way too much focused on the negative side, thus self perpetuating a self fulfilling prophecy.
I guess it's a matter of perspective, but when was the last time oneball had a positive article about anything?
Why is it that some people have everything and others have nothing? Is it only the Illuminati and conspiracy con men to blame or do some people deliberately close the doors to material prosperity in a belief system that it's more spiritual to be poor?
No matter how shocking it is, the Illuminati are surpassers and not survivors. They continue to thrive and prosper, and it does not have to be at the expense of others, which I think is a belief system people themselves have created in their own victimhood.
PAL
Hello perl.
Yes we are all responsible for letting things happen i agree. i totally agree.
so therefore ...
re comment about 'anything positive on one ball'..feel free to get off your own arse and write something positive yourself then... the site is yours to use please do so.. positive negative inbetween..good... bad.. rubbish..interesting..take your pick..
obviously that applies to anyone with the same thoughts.. don't say in your negative sarcastic tone what you want to see... bloody well come and write it yourself! (subject to copyright of the gurus materials of course) .. that's buggered you then Per L eh?
Please don't say the site hasn't anything positive on it when you won't put it on yourself. what sort of mentality is that...
your comments are very negative in themselves or can you not see that through the rose tinted swerdow hippy specs you wear?
and how much did they cost you.? .far more than cash i'm sure...
Yes feel free to post your thoughts in an article and be as positive as you like... or do you need to repeat someone elses mind? most folks do you see.. you seem to need the swerdlows to speak for you don't you? Or is that truth too negative for you?
i'll certainly listen to any of your swerdlow inspired fluffy bunny stuff and i'm sure other will too. It will be fun so please do it.
But just lately i think the new age 'The Secret' law of attraction and other expensive hippy shite is wearing thin with a lot of folk especially after a few gurus have bled that info dry for 10 or 20 years on end. including the Swerdlows. The only ones to benefit is those that sold it. and boy they have milked it for years now... same books.. same dvds year after year..yes very positive that...
anyway...
I don't beieve anyone would purposely close doors on material prosperity unless they had good reason too. just like the rich wouldn't allow material prosperity to open any doors and not wallow in their greed without good reason too.... same thing eh? I see how rich hippies buy into the law of attraction though it helps any guilt they may have. after all it cannot be nice to watch people die and then check the bank balance can it?
rich people suffer from victimhood too don't they... indeed i'm not sure whether i want to be rich or poor.. they both have their own problems.
but if anyone wants to justify personal wealth and greed when the worlds inhabitants starves then simply use 'the law of attraction' excuse and blame the poor for creating their own victimhood too.
i'm sure some will accept it. Especially the con merchants who produced the secret.
......
the illuminati are deceivers, thieves and liars Per L just like the swerdlows and other con merchants are. they only surpass through 'deception'.
It is really called greed and theft... that is what con men and thieves really attract through law of attraction they simply attract gullible punters to rip off and live off their gullibility. They then sit at home with their wealth like they have achieved something.
Hey... Go on one of swerdlows hippy holidays if you don't believe me and they will show you how it is done... Buy your way to heaven through their knowledge and then tell us about the positive experience you've had. there you go Per L... something positive on one ball eh? Whoopee.
In my opinion, be I a victim of my own victimhood or not, you need to question your own believe that no one gets your soul because victimhood comes in many forms and some of them stick.
there maybe nothing wrong with the i'm all right jack mentality when jack is alright but when jack is not alright there will be.
i'm sure your soul is ok though ..you know the swerdlows
...
best wishes
matt
[/quote] We are all self responsible. No one can be blamed. From my perspective none of them gets our soul. And it's more about results than money. I also think the conspiracy writing is way too much focused on the negative side, thus self perpetuating a self fulfilling prophecy. I guess it's a matter of perspective, but when was the last time oneball had a positive article about anything? Why is it that some people have everything and others have nothing? Is it only the Illuminati and conspiracy con men to blame or do some people deliberately close the doors to material prosperity in a belief system that it's more spiritual to be poor? No matter how shocking it is, the Illuminati are surpassers and not survivors. They continue to thrive and prosper, and it does not have to be at the expense of others, which I think is a belief system people themselves have created in their own victimhood.[/quote]
Thanks for your reply I appreciate it, especially these 2 lines
it's not wrong to feel emotional. its not wrong to watch exciting things.
it is a very cruel deception that exploits the creation of enjoyment.
hello josie,
i believe
the system gets us all to find something to love or something to escape to.
to give up emotion to.
our natural emotions are being controlled to be built up to be released.
the vast majority of minds will be attracted to sport or music or both or something like going to museums etc.
it's not wrong to feel emotional. its not wrong to watch exciting things.
it is a very cruel deception that exploits the creation of enjoyment.
we are all braindead 7 days a week . we just like certain days better than others indeed pay day and leisure time days seem better to us but in reality they are not. we suffer more in the long term for what we see as experiencing our better days than we do for what we see as mundane days.
but who is going to believe that?
best wishes
matt
Made me feel sick reading that about the ley line things. I have become aware, thanks in all part part to you, about how people freely give up energy at events like concerts and I likened it to football, I could see the similarities. My first reaction and most of my current reaction was/is to ignore it. Maybe it's not the same. What do I know anyway? If I have an inkling after reading something it won't include me, sort of absolved from all responsibility to myself. I disappoint myself when I think of myself as a braindead at the weekend. If I was more aware about other things I am sure I would be considered just as braindead for the rest of the week too. I want to say lots more but I keep getting stuck. Everything feels so enormous and bleak, I just don't know which way to turn.
you will also get a tater pie
Love them, it's one of the best things about the north. Been to Burnley three times, freezing cold each time. Still the view of the hills from the stand made for better watching than what was going on on the pitch.
hello,
bloody hell you are a glutton for punishment going on the turf moor ley line..
that is one hell of a nasty piece of work for sensitive souls
the towneleys used to sacrifice kids on that line.
local pies have taken a turn for the worse, quality wise, in burnley. and conditions apply to the offer.
if you want to see pure evil and a mass of braindead sheeple go to watch the blackburn rovers burnley match at ewood park this sunday.
you will learn a lot about collecting energy if you do.
i heard the pies are better at rovers. some of the fans are half human there too.
best
matt
hey you are welcome josie,
One of the hardest things for me to accept, especially as a slave in a factory, was that the deceivers that exploit us exploit the things 'we enjoy' more than the the things we don't.
best
matt
Is this perhaps an example of how this place can sound?:
"Or why not follow me on my next Ayahuasca trip to a place where even James Arthur Ray has had a big cup to drink? He apparently ended up in a "geometric dome" and asking where he was he got the reply: "Here!"
And hey, if you're lucky like me you might get it for free!"
So it’s still about blaming others and not taking own responsibility?
Positive and negative can be tricky and is in the eye of the beholder as well, and from my perspective it's about balance.
Dwelling in negativity can certainly be a safe harbour for many, but where is it going?
"Come to me so we can be victims together?"
It is basically also the other way around, where people say "love, peace and light" while taking the next flu shot to death for example.
Sarcastic? I wonder what some of the people you mention would say.
PAL
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But would you have spent £375 to see your friend Ian Crane?
Not if he put me to work cleaning his bath and toilets and harshly controlled the way I expressed myself.
"Because he refused to compete in games of domination he was indomitable"
from The Dispossessed by Ursula LeGuin
Good job I could never afford to attend a place that expensive!
Why should it cost so much? Was the steam First Class steam, previously deployed at the Beckham's mansion? You know I don't share Matt's views on Ian Crane and Chris Everard etc, but this James Ray guy does indeed look deeply corrupt. Susie's right; we are asking for trouble if we trivialize and industrialize ancient Indigenous wisdom.
In 2005 I spent a week at the Findhorn Community in Scotland. I felt very drawn to have one of their "experience weeks", but at the end of it I was rather dissolusioned. It was very much a New Age, retreat ie bury-your-head-in-the-sand place. They have a massive book shop there, but not a single copy of any title by David Icke or any other more down-to-Earth researcher. They refused to discuss conspiracies with me. They also criticize you if you deviate from their very narrow language regime. "Don't say 'you', say 'I'" they insised on telling me! And the week all cost £375!
Oh thankyou for pointing out the issue about the Findhorn Shop not stocking any conspiracy research. I've loved Findhorn for decades now, and spent a small fortune in that shop - but the place is on a par with a religious cult, isn't it?
I'm suspicious of where alot of their funding comes from.
Ajna
Hi Ajna. Fritz Springmeier voices his suspicions over Findhorn too. He says it's got links to the Lucis Trust and Tavistock. I did notice a lot of "Lord" and "Lady" so-and-so's in their lists of trustees.
The Findhorn Foundation denies that it is a cult. It's true that it is very easy-going about people's relgious beliefs and has very ecumenical spiritual services. But they do have very strict rules when it comes to expression. They say when speaking about something (They call it "Sharing") you must only make "I-statements".This means that you only use the first person-singular pronoun at all times. This is absurd! It means you can't say things like "This stuff is good for you." or "You know how hard it is". I felt very uncomfortable talking under those conditions.
"Because he refused to compete in games of domination he was indomitable"
from The Dispossessed by Ursula LeGuin
eh Haggers..did you go to the Paul Stott 911 cult watch conference at Loughboro university last year...about 4 turned up..and i'm sure you were sitting near to me unless i was mistaken?
MFP
Not me I'm afraid. It might have been the Pub Landlord. People say there's a resemblence!
"Because he refused to compete in games of domination he was indomitable"
from The Dispossessed by Ursula LeGuin
Hagbard
I'd love to hear more of your experience with Findhorn. Fancy writing a short article on it?
Cheers
Mark
Good idea, Mark. Thanks for your interest.
It was a few years ago, in 2005, but I'll see what I can do.
"Because he refused to compete in games of domination he was indomitable"
from The Dispossessed by Ursula LeGuin